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Birth:          ABT 1165 Great Berwick near Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England
Death:          1214 Artington, Surrey, England

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Stephen de Turnham of Great Berwick, Salop, Seneschal of Anjou.

Note: Despite many references to Stephen de Turnham, I have no written sources as 
to his parents. But I find his ancestry in the newsgroup, SGM.

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Stephen de Turnham, of Artington, Surrey, the King's Marshal, by Edeline, daughter 
and coheir of Randolf de Broc, the King's Usher and Marshal, son of Oyne Porcel. 
[Complete Peerage V:400 note (b)]

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He [Roger de Leyburn] married, in or before 1219, Eleanor, youngest daughter and 
coheir of his guardian, Stephen DE THURNHAM, by Edeline, daughter and coheir of 
Ranulf DE BROC (n). [Complete Peerage VII:630, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

(n) The husbands of the other 4 daughters were Thomas de Bavelingham, Adam de 
Bending, [Alianore m. ] Ralph son of Bernard de Tong, and [Beatrice m.] Ralph de 
Faye (she [Beatrice] m. 2ndly Hugh de Neville, see vol IX, p. 480, sub Neville). 
[Complete Peerage VII:630 note (n), extended by XIV:433]

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Stephen, according to CP, appeared to have two daughters named Eleanor/Alianore 
who m. Roger de Leybourne & Ralph FitzBernard, with dates indicating that they were 
two different sisters. However, the following post was the first in a series of three (see 
daughter Clemence & her daughter Alianore for more info) posts by Rosie Bevan to 
SGM, which unraveled the mystery. Note that the heirs of Stephen named below turn 
out to be Mabel (his daughter who m. Thomas Bavelingham), Alice (his daughter who 
m. Adam Bendenges), Beatrice (his daughter who m. Ralph Fay), Roger de Leyburn 
(his grandson by his daughter Eleanor), and Alianore (his granddaughter (by his 
daughter Clemence) who m. Ralph FitzBernard). Eleanore & Clemence were both dead, 
which is why they were not named.

From: "Rosie Bevan" (rbevan AT paradise.net.nz)
Subject: Re: Turnham
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2003-02-20 17:38:34 PST

Dear Chris and Hap

It was Ralph fitz Bernard who was married to Eleanor. Robert de Leyburne had 
evidently married another daughter of Stephen de Turnham, and she was dead by 
1220. Whether or not she was also named Eleanor is unclear.

The evidence for this comes from a curia regis suit in the Trinity term of 1220, in 
which Edelina de Broc sued Richard Malherbe for 4L 18s. rent, and William de 
Bathonia for 25 acres of meadow and 12 1/2 of wood with appurtenances in 
Artingdon, Surrey. They in turn called to warrant the heirs of Stephen de Turnham who 
were Thomas de Bavelingham and Mabel his wife, Adam de Bendenges and Alice his 
wife, Ralph de Fay and Beatrice his wife, Roger de Leyburn, Ralph fitz Bernard and 
Alianore his wife.

"Et ipsi Ricardus et Willelmus vacaverunt inde ad warrantum heredes Stephani de 
Turnham quondam viri ipsius Edeline, scilicet Thomam de Bavelingeham et Mabiliam 
uxorem ejus Adam de Bendeng' et Aliciam uxorem ejus Radulfum de Fay et Beariciam 
uxorem ejus Rogerum de Leyburn' Radulfum filium Bernardi et Alienoram uxorem 
ejus..."
[CRR v.IX, p.85]

VCH Surrey v.3 p.4, in a section dealing with this case, states that Eleanor was wife 
of Roger de Leyburne and uses as a source Maitland, Bracton's Notebook, 1410 ; 
Excerpta e Rot. Fin. (rec. Com.), ii, 25. As the Roger in the curia regis roll is without a 
wife, the obvious conclusion to draw is that he was the representative of the unnamed 
daughter i.e her son and heir. If she was indeed named Eleanor, it would seem there 
were two in the family.

The curious thing here is that Clemence, daughter of Stephen de Turnham is not 
mentioned, even though she was alive in 1220 and married to Wandril de Curceles, 
attorney for Robert de Turneham and Joan Fossard, and had two later husbands [EYC 
v.2 no.995]. Artindon had descended via Edeline de Broc so the obvious inference is 
that Clemence was not a daughter of Edeline.

Cheers

Rosie

Note: The above statement about Clemence is cleared up in later postings by Rosie, 
which are contained in the next two generations (Clemence & Alianore).

Parents
DE TURNEHAM Robert (ABT 1140 - 1174)
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Siblings
DE TURNEHAM Stephen (ABT 1165 - 1214)

Marriage To DE BROC Edeline (ABT 1166 - AFT 1220)
    m.  

Notes

Parents
DE BROC Randolph (Ranulph) (ABT 1140 - 1187)
GORAM Damietta (ABT 1145 - 1204)

Children by DE BROC Edeline ABT 1166 - AFT 1220
DE TURNHAM Beatrice (ABT 1184 - BEF Dec 1245)
DE TURNHAM Eleanor (ABT 1193 - BEF 1220)

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