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Birth:          ABT 1137 Thorp Arch, Yorkshire, England
Death:          1206 

Notes
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=jweber&id=I05564
Ancestral Roots has Juetta de Arches m. Adam I de Brus, but that has changed.

The following two posts to soc.genealogy.medieval indicate that the "accepted" order 
of wives for Adam I & II de Brus should actually be reversed:

From: Rosie Bevan (rbevan AT paradise.net.nz)
Subject: Re: Domesday Descendants corrections: Harcourt & Brus
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2002-06-05 18:38:09 PST

Hi Cris

As you have commented, K. Keats-Rohan in Domesday Descendants [p.354, 355] has 
listed Adam I de Brus of Skelton(d.1142) as married to Agnes of Aumale, and Adam II 
Brus (d.1196) as married to Juetta de Arches. This is in variance with Farrer's 
observations in vol. 3 of Early Yorkshire Charters in which the opposite placement is 
upheld. The situation is not helped by CP which claims [VII : 670] that Agnes of 
Aumale married William de Roumare and secondly Piers de Brus.

A study of the chronology tends to support K-R's findings.

-snip-

Juetta de Arches married Roger de Flamville (d.1169) who held the 7 Arches knights' 
fees in her right in 1166. [Charles Clay (ed.) 'Early Yorkshire Families', p.2]. She had 
children by de Flamville but the fees eventually descended to Peter de Brus II 
indicating that her Brus children were her eventual heirs, not the Flamville ones. Her 
children by Roger Flamville were in the custody of Adam II during their minority. Adam 
II is known to have had two children - Piers and Isabel who married Henry de Percy. 
In 1193 Juetta gave land in Askham to her daughter Isabel de Brus. The charter 
clearly says "Noveritis me concessisse et presenti carta confirmasse Isabelle de Brus 
filie mee et heredibus suis totam terram de Ascham..." Farrer uncharacteristically 
makes the error of assuming that Isabella was her granddaughter [EYC I ; no. 548, 
549].

As Juetta died in 1206, she would have had to have been nearly 90 had she been 
mother of Adam II de Brus (b 1134). A not impossible achievement, but highly unlikely 
for the time and place.

Cheers

Rosie

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From: Cristopher Nash (c AT windsong.u-net.com)
Subject: Re: Domesday Descendants corrections: Harcourt & Brus
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2002-06-08 04:13:25 PST

Now I can quickly summarize the argument of Ruth Blakely, 'The Bruses of Skelton 
and William of Aumale' in _Yorks Archeol Jnl_ (2001) 73:19-28, which appears to be 
the clincher leading Keats-Rohan in DD to reverse the traditional order of two early 
Brus marriages, giving (1) the wife of Adam I de Brus as Agnes d'Aumale and (2) the 
wife of Adam II de Brus as Juetta de Arches. Blaklely's article is devoted specifically 
to this double question.

On Juetta de Arches: The conventional account, Blakely says, derives from Dugdale 
in _Baronage of England_, in which he cites as evidence a papal mandate cited in 
_Mon. Ang._, where in fact Blakely finds that "It is not apparant from this record 
which of the two Adams is signified. Nor are they named in any of the other sources 
which Dugdale cites....His reasons for naming Adam I rather than Adam II as Juetta's 
husband are therefore obscure. Despite this ambiguity, the identification was 
accepted by William Farrer and subsequent writers, such as Wormald, Greenway and 
Clay, although some of them, like Dalton, have noted inconsistencies arising from it" 
[18-20].

Blakely's argument takes as its starting point an alternative account by William Brown, 
who -- giving Juetta as wife of Adam II -- in 1895 had cited records in the chartulary of 
Healaugh Park Priory. Here 2 grants appear, made by Adam II's son Peter de Brus I to 
the canons of the priory in the Arches fee. In one, Peter refers to his mother as 
'Juetta', and in the other specifically as 'Juetta de Arches'. Blakely cites further 
evidence e.g. that Adam II's daughter, Isabella, is granted land from the Arches fee 
ca. 1192 by Juetta who calls her 'my daughter' [22-3]. Blakely then offers an ample 
and concerted explanation as to why, nevertheless, William, count of Aumale 
(eventually Earl of York per K. Stephen), and bro of Agnes d'Aumale, acquired custody 
of Adam II in the latter's minority (22-25). (Essentially he, as Adam II's maternal uncle, 
had immediate strong political reasons for seeking some control over the large Brus 
domain.) Blakely's conclusion is that Juetta de Arches, da. and ultimately sole heir of 
William de Arches and widow of Roger de Flamville and still living 1209, is certainly 
the wife of Adam II de Brus.

-snip-

An important aspect of Blakely's argument is that this reconstruction of the 4 
marriages of Juetta and Agnes resolves a number of problems that have long dogged 
the Brus genealogy. A useful part of its development is a thoughtful assessment of the 
historical (inter-family political/economic) background to these events. Rosie, I think 
when your interloan copy gets to you you'll find that the article parallels a good part of 
your smart chronological case, and yours may in fact lend it further support.

Hope this quick sketch helps.

Cris

Parents
DE ARCHES William (ABT 1090 - ABT 1154)
____ Jueta (Ivetta) (ABT 1110 - )

Siblings
DE ARCHES Robert (ABT 1132 - )
DE ARCHES Juetta (Ivetta) (ABT 1137 - 1206)

Marriage To DE FLAMVILLE Roger (1115 - 1169)
    m.  

Notes

Parents
DE FLAMVILLE Hugh (ABT 1083 - BEF 1130)
----- ----- ()

Children by DE FLAMVILLE Roger 1115 - 1169
DE FLAMVILLE Agnes (ABT 1153 - AFT 1227)
DE FLAMVILLE Maud (ABT 1155 - AFT 1219)

Marriage To DE BRUS [BRUCE] Adam (ABT 1143 - 1196)
    m.  

Notes

Parents
DE BRUS Adam I (ABT 1113 - 1143)
D'AUMALE Agnes (ABT 1115 - )

Children by DE BRUS [BRUCE] Adam ABT 1143 - 1196
DE BRUS Peter (Piers) (ABT 1170 - 12 Feb 1222)
DE BRUS Isabel (ABT 1172 - AFT 1230)

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