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Birth:          ABT 1228 Debden, Saffron Walden, Essex, England
Death:          AFT 10 Jun 1278 

Notes
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=jweber&id=I25457
He [John de Verdun] married, 2ndly, before 1267, Eleanor (f). He is said to have died 
21 October 1274. His widow was living, 10 June 1278. [Complete Peerage XII/2:246-
8, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

(f) Presumably his son Humphrey, b. on the vigil of Pentecost 1267, was by the 2nd 
wife. Nothing is known of Eleanor's parentage but she may have been a Bohun. A 
seal, said to be hers, bears the Bohun and Verdun arms and the name of her son, 
Humphrey, may be significant.

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From: Douglas Richardson (royalancestry AT msn.com)
Subject: Re: Eleanor de Verdun, and her daughter, Maud, wife of John de Grey, of 
Wilton
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2002-01-16 07:08:57 PST

Dear Newsgroup ~

Since making my post on Eleanor (de Bohun) de Verdun yesterday, I've checked my 
files and found further confirmation which I believe conclusively proves that Eleanor 
was the daughter of Humphrey de Bohun (died 1275), Earl of Hereford and Essex. The 
evidence consists of two separate cases of consanguinity among descendants of 
Eleanor (de Bohun) de Verdun where they intermarried with their Bohun related 
kinfolk.

In the first instance, my notes record that there was a papal dispensation recorded in 
1334, for the marriage of Maud de Grey and John de Lisle, 2nd Lord Lisle, of 
Rougement. As I recall, this dispensation is mentioned by Complete Peerage sub Lisle. 
Maud and John were stated to be related in the 4th degree in their petition for a 
dispensation (i.e., third cousins to each other). Maud de Grey was great-
granddaughter of Eleanor (de Bohun) de Verdun. John de Lisle was great-grandson of 
Alice (de Bohun) de Tony. If the degree of kinship was correctly stated in the papal 
registers, it would appear that Maud's ancestress, Eleanor de Bohun, and John's 
ancestress, Alice de Bohun, were sisters. Since Alice is known to have been a 
daughter of Humphrey de Bohun, Earl of Hereford and Essex (died 1275), this in turn 
tells us that Eleanor was daughter of the same Humphrey de Bohun.

In the second instance, my notes record there was a papal inquiry in 1334 regarding 
the marriage of Margaret Basset and John de Bohun, Earl of Hereford and Essex. 
Margaret Basset was a great-granddaughter of Eleanor (de Bohun) de Verdun. 
Margaret and her husband, John, were closely related, but my notes don't tell how 
closely related the two parties were, if the degree of kinship was stated. To resolve 
the question of kinship, the Pope summoned a host of relatives of the young couple. 
Among those summoned were several of Margaret Basset's Grey relatives as well as 
Alice de Tony, widow of Walter de Beauchamp, and her daughter and son-in-law, 
Margaret and Robert de Lisle. The people required to give testimony presumably all 
had a tie to the Bohun family. If nothing else, this document provides added evidence 
that the Greys, Tonys, Beauchamps and Lisles all share a common descent from the 
Bohun family.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

E-mail: royalancestry AT msn.com

Parents
DE BOHUN Humphrey (IV) (ABT 1204 - 24 Sep 1275)
DE LUSIGNAN Maud (Matilda) (ABT 1210 - 12 Aug 1241)

Siblings
DE BOHUN Alicia (Cecilia) (ABT 1225 - ABT 1255)
DE BOHUN Humphrey (ABT 1227 - 27 Oct 1265)
DE BOHUN Eleanor (ABT 1228 - AFT 10 Jun 1278)

Marriage To DE VERDUN John le Botiller (ABT 1226 - 21 Oct 1274)
    m.  

Notes

Parents
DE BOTILLER Theobald "Le Butzllen" (Jan 1200 - 19 Jul 1230)
DE VERDUN Rohese (ABT 1205 - 10 Feb 1247)

Children by DE VERDUN John le Botiller ABT 1226 - 21 Oct 1274
DE VERDUN Maud (ABT 1260 - )

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