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Birth:          ABT 1115 Kirkoswald, Penrith, Cumberland, England
Death:          1202 Knaresborough Castle, Yorkshire, England

Notes
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=jweber&id=I03441
The people on soc.genealogy.medieval do not give parents for Hugh, but they do say 
that Hugh is connected with the family of Simon (I have Simon as brother). Turton 
states that Hugh (who m. Beatrice de Beauchamp) is son of Simon who is son of 
Hugh. I believe Turton is wrong in that it was the Hugh who m. Hawise de Stuteville 
and was one of the murderers of Thomas a Becket, who is son of Simon.

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The following is excerpted from and e-mail from Dennis Theriot, with more sources for 
Hugh's ancestry:

From: Dennis Theriot [mailto:denther AT gte.net]
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 11:46 AM
To: Jim Weber

Dear Jim,

I do have another comment about your database. For Hugh de Morville of Kirkoswald, 
ID I03448, you said that you thought that Turton was incorrect in saying that he was 
the son of Simon who married Ada de Engaine. I agree. I will use my copy of Sanders, 
English Baronies, p 23-24, where he discusses the descent of Burgh by Sands, co 
Cumberland: "Ada, married firstly, Simon de Morville. Simon d 1167, his son Hugh d 
1202, leaving Ada and Joan. Ada who inherited half of the barony married, firstly, 
Richard de Lucy, d 1213, Lord of Egremont, co Cumberland etc..."Since we know that 
Hugh de Morville of Kirkoswald left two sons and a daughter, he cannot be the son of 
Simon who left only female heirs. I looked up your reference on 
soc.genealogy.medieval and did a little exploring there. A statement made by on the 
subject: Hugh de Morville, dated 28 Mar 1999, says:" my understanding is that Simon 
de Morville was (1) the brother of Hugh the Constable, (2) father of Hugh of Burgh by 
Sands, and (3) uncle of the Hugh the Murderer." I think that he got it right. [Note: I 
think Hugh of Burgh-by-Sands is Hugh the Murderer.]

If you don't have access to a copy of Sanders, I suggest that you get one. I got mine 
on the Internet. The book is : English Baronies, A Study of their Origin and Descent 
1086-1327, Oxford University Press, 1960. It is cited frequently in Ancestral Roots and 
is a good way to bridge the gap between the Domesday Survey and the Complete 
Peerage.

I am still exploring your database. Thanks again for such a good product. You are one 
of the few on the internet that gives references.

Dennis Theriot

Parents
DE MORVILLE Hugh (ABT 1085 - )
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Siblings
DE MORVILLE William (BEF 1109 - AFT 1161)
DE MORVILLE Hugh (ABT 1115 - 1202)
DE MORVILLE Simon (ABT 1118 - BEF 1141)

Marriage To DE BEAUCHAMP Beatrice (ABT 1107 - )
    m.  

Notes

Parents
DE BEAUCHAMP Payne (Peganus) (ABT 1085 - 1157)
DE VERE Roheise (Roesia) (ABT 1070 - )

Children by DE BEAUCHAMP Beatrice ABT 1107 - 
DE MORVILLE Richard (ABT 1133 - 1189)
DE MORVILLE Maud (ABT 1140 - )

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