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Birth:          1105 Mandeville, Normandy
Death:          19 Apr 1197 Rickling, Essex, England
Burial:         Walden Abbey, Rickling, Essex, England

Notes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_de_Mandeville
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=jweber&id=I01778
NOTE: I give Beatrice the title "Countess of Essex" because she was recognized as 
the heir to the Earldom of her nephew William de Mandeville, 3rd Earl of Essex, and, 
according to CP V:12205, her grandson-in-law, Geoffrey FitzPiers, was not invested 
with the title Earl of Essex until after Beatrice died in 1197 in recognition of the fact 
that Beatrice (as a widow) held the title.

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Beatrice (died 19 April 1197 or some year before it), daughter of William de 
Mandeville, sister of 1st Earl of Essex and divorced wife of Hugh Talebot. [Burke's 
Peerage]

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He [William de Say] m. Beatrice, divorced wife of Hugh Talebot, sister of Earl Geoffrey 
above named, and da. of William de Mandeville. The Earl is said to have brought her 
to England for the marriage. She lived to a great age; d. 19 Apr, in or before 1197, 
and was buried at Walden Abbey. (Complete Peerage XI:464-5 (transcribed by Thomas 
Aiken))

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Below is my response to a query by Mike Lysell, via a post-em, concerning Beatrice's 
marriage date to Hugh Talbot and the birth dates of their children:

I may have been too conservative ("bef 1135") with Richard's birth year. I sometimes 
get frustrated with sources that refuse to give a guestimate as to the birth year, when 
they probably have a fairly good idea. Anyway "bef 1135" is the only date I could nail 
down as a definite sourced date, but he was probably born much earlier.

I see on soc.genealogy.medieval that Beatrice m. her 2nd husband "bef 1197" (in 
other words before she died). However that is even more outlandish a date than mine, 
because they do indicate she had children (Richard/William) by that marriage, and 
that had to be well before she was 92 years old (1197)!

I see many people have Hugh Talbot d. 1120. At least one has "aft 1123", which is 
what I will use, along with abt 1120 as the marriage and 1121 and 1123 as the 
respective birth years. If Beatrice was divorced (as my sources state), then Hugh 
probably was still alive for awhile after their divorce. I then give Hugh's 1st wife a 
death of "bef. 1120" which might be the source of confusion over Hugh's death date.

Most of the marriage/birth dates are not sourced, but they seem reasonable.

Jim Weber

Parents
DE MANDEVILLE William (ABT 1062 - ABT 1130)
DE RIE Margaret (ABT 1075 - )

Siblings
DE MANDEVILLE Geoffrey (ABT 1092 - 14 Sep 1144)
DE MANDEVILLE Beatrix (1105 - 19 Apr 1197)

Marriage To TALBOT Hugh (ABT 1085 - )
    m.  

Notes

Parents
TALBOT Richard (ABT 1050 - )
D'AUBIGNY Aimee (ABT 1050 - )

Children by TALBOT Hugh ABT 1085 - 
TALBOT Richard (ABT 1120 - )

Marriage To DE SAY William (ABT 1106 - AFT Aug 1144)
    m.  

Notes

Parents
DE SAY Geoffrey (ABT 1088 - )
DE CLARE Hawise (ABT 1089 - )

Children by DE SAY William ABT 1106 - AFT Aug 1144
DE SAYE William (ABT 1133 - BEF 1 Aug 1177)

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