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Birth:          ABT 1111 Clun, Shropshire, England
Death:          BEF 1166 

Notes
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=jweber&id=I05452
Ingram de Say, feudal Lord of Clun, Salop. [Burke's Peerage]

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The Lordship of Clun in Shropshire belonged, temp. Stephen, to Ellis de Say, whose 
daughter and heir, Isabel, brought it to her husband, William FitzAlan, feudal Lord of 
Oswaldestre (ie. Oswestry) in that co., who d. abt 1210. . . . [Complete Peerage, 
III:335 as corrected by XIV:194]

Note: It appears that his name was Ellis [CP XIV:194], Elias, or Helias, not Ingram or 
Ingelram as the original CP III:335 had it. See notes under Isabel, the daughter. Also 
there is some question as to whether he was the son [Eyton], brother [Keats-Rohan], 
or no relation at all [Sanders] to Henry de Say.

NOTE: Chris Phillips, citing Keats-Rohan, has Elias as brother and heir of Henry (d. 
c1140), and both Elias & Henry were sons of Robert Picot de Sai of Clun. I have Elias 
as son of Henry, who is son of Robert. I would suppose that Elias may have been 
brother & heir of a Henry as well as son of a Henry, and that the two Henrys were 
reduced to one by Keats-Rohan. I think the dates indicate the extra generation that I 
have.

Parents
DE SAYE Henry (ABT 1087 - ABT 1135)
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Siblings
DE SAY (SAYE) Elias (ABT 1111 - BEF 1166)

Marriage To ----- ----- ()
    m.  

Notes


Children by ----- ----- 
DE SAY Isabel (1135 - ABT 1199)

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