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Birth:          29 Sep 1235 Flamsted, Hertfordshire, England
Death:          BEF 12 May 1264 France

Notes
http://www.worldramp.net/~wyatt/html/dat29.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humphrey_de_Bohun,_2nd_Earl_of_Hereford
as Roger V de Toeni
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_de_Toeni,_Countess_of_Warwick
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=jweber&id=I03131
Alice de Bohun; married Roger V de Toeni, lord of Flamstead, co Hertford, son of 
Ralph VI de Toeni, and his wife Petronilla (or Pernel) de Lacy. Humphrey de Bohun, 
father of Alice, granted the manors of Newton Toney and East Coulston as part of the 
marriage settlement with reversion to his heirs if she died without heirs. As Roger V de 
Toeni gave the same manors to his re-married mother, Petronilla, wife of William de St. 
Omer, in return for other lands she previously was holding in dower (document dated 
between 1256 and 1264), it is evident that Alice died leaving children. He married 2nd 
before 1255 Isabel, living 1264/5. After Roger's death in 1264 custody of his heirs 
was granted to Earl Humphrey de Bohun (father of Alice). [Magna Charta Sureties]

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ROGER DE TOENI V, 2nd but 1st surviving son and heir, was born Michaelmas 1235. 
His marriage and the custody of his lands were granted to Queen Eleanor during his 
minority, 26 April 1242; and he did homage therefor between 1 and 15 October 1256, 
being then of full age. On 15 October also the Earl of Hereford and Essex was ordered 
to deliver Painscastle to Roger, who held it in chief by knight's service. He had 
licence for life, 8 December 1256, to hunt with his own dogs the hare, fox, cat and 
badger in cos. Southampton, Somerset, Dorset and Wilts; was summoned to join the 
Earl of Hereford in defence of the Welsh marches between Montgomery and 
Gloucester, July, and had gone to Wales with Edward, the King's son, before 22 
October 1257; was among those summoned to meet the King in London with all the 
service they owed, April 1260; had a protection, crossing with the Queen beyond 
seas, 1 July 1262; and was summoned to be at Hereford, February 1262/3, for action 
against Llewellyn. He was living, 10 June 1263, and is said to have supported the 
King in the Barons' War, but was dead before the battle of Lewes (14 May 1264).

He married,(h) before 1255, Isabel. He died before 12 May 1264, when Isabel's 
marriage was granted to Edmund, the King's son. She was living, February 1264/5. 
[Complete Peerage XII/1:771-2, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

[h] A contract of marriage between Roger, then aged 3, and Alice, daughter of 
Humphrey de Bohun, Earl of Hereford and Essex, was confirmed by the King, 30 June 
1239. According to the Fundatorum Progenies of Llanthony this marriage did take 
place and Alice was buried in the chapter house of Llanthony Priory outside 
Gloucester. However, nothing more is known of Alice and, as stated above, Roger's 
marriage was granted to the Queen, 26 April 1242.

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SEE BELOW FOR CORRECTION to CP [Some Corrections & Additions to CP, website]

In fact, Alice clearly did marry Roger, and was the mother of his son and heir, Ralph, 
as shown by the evidence below. The date of "before 1255" for Roger's marriage to 
Isabel, which is based on the belief that she was Ralph's mother, is therefore also 
incorrect.

The marriage contract referred to above is printed in The Beauchamp Cartulary 
Charters 1100-1268, ed E. Mason, p.214 (1980), together with a grant by Humphrey de 
Bohun to Roger de Tosny, of the manors of Newton (Tony) and (East) Coulston, 
Wiltshire, in marriage with his daughter Alice (p.216). The manors were given in free 
marriage to be held by Roger and his heirs by Alice, and were to revert to Humphrey if 
Alice died without issue. This grant is dated by Mason to probably c.1251, when 
Roger reached the age of 14.

The previous grant to Queen Eleanor on 26 April 1242, referred to by Complete 
Peerage, was in fact a grant of the lands only, not of the marriage and lands [Cal. 
Patent Rolls, 1232-47, p.283]; it is referred to again as a grant of the lands in a 
subsequent grant of scutage to Queen Eleanor, on 3 May [Cal. Close Rolls, 1237-42, 
p.422]. (A later order, dated 12 February 1243/4, does refer to the lands and the 
marriage of the heir having been granted to the queen, but this is presumably an error 
[Cal. Close Rolls, 1242-47, p.158].)

The manor of Newton Tony descended to Roger's son Ralph (d.1295) and then to his 
son Robert [Victoria County History, Wiltshire, vol.15, p.146]. East Coulston passed to 
Walter de Beauchamp, who married Roger's daughter Alice, and later to their 
descendants [Victoria County History, Wiltshire, vol.8, p.235].

[Douglas Richardson pointed out this error in November 2001]

Parents
DE TOSNY Ralph (ABT 1189 - ABT 29 Sep 1239)
DE LACY Petronilla (Pernel) (ABT 1195 - AFT 25 Nov 1288)

Siblings
DE TOSNY Roger (Ralph) V (29 Sep 1235 - BEF 12 May 1264)

Marriage To DE BOHUN Alicia (Cecilia) (ABT 1225 - ABT 1255)
    m.  

Notes

Parents
DE BOHUN Humphrey (IV) (ABT 1204 - 24 Sep 1275)
DE LUSIGNAN Maud (Matilda) (ABT 1210 - 12 Aug 1241)

Children by DE BOHUN Alicia (Cecilia) ABT 1225 - ABT 1255
DE TOSNY Ralph VII (1255 - BEF 29 Jul 1295)

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